Challenge 58: A Chain of Logarithms

  • Published on Sep 13, 2018
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Comments • 35

  • GreenMeansGO
    GreenMeansGO 9 months ago

    I finally got around to doing this problem. The trick is to simplify as much as possible. In the end, I found that since p_n = 2/n*p_(n-1) then the sum turns into half of p_2 times the sum from j=2 to infinity of 2^j/j!. P_2 equals 2 to half is 1. So we get 1 times the series which is the series for e^2 minus the terms for j=0 and j=1 so you get e^2-3.

  • Benjamin Wang
    Benjamin Wang 9 months ago

    e^2 -3
    I’ve been away from home so I’m super late on this one. The product from 1 to n-1 of a sub k cancels down to (ln(n+1)/ln2)^2 times 2^{n-1}/{(k-1}!. Thus P sub n simplified to be similar to the definition of e^x, which gives the answer.

  • Random Person
    Random Person 9 months ago

    Answer is e^2-3.
    We first simplify all the logs with change of base and get that
    a_k=(2 log^2(k+2))/(k log^2(k+1))
    P_n=(2 log^2(2))/(n log^2(n+1))*\prod_{k=1}^{n-1} a_{k}
    (\prod_{k=1}^{n-1} a_{k} is the product from k=1 to n-1 of a_k)
    By deducing an expression for the product part of P_n, we get that
    \prod_{k=1}^{n-1} a_{k}=(2^(n-1)log^2(n+1))/((n-1)!*log^2(2))
    Multiplying this with the first part of P_n yields
    And summing this from n=2 to infinity yields

  • Siddhartha Shree kaushik

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  • WaltherSolis
    WaltherSolis 9 months ago

    e^2-3, p_n can be simplified to 2^n/n!, you just need to apply a lot of logarithms properties

  • Antonio Raddakovic
    Antonio Raddakovic 9 months ago

    e^2 -3
    becouse a,k can be written as (log,(k+1) (k+2))/(log,(k+2) (k+1)) and log,a b / log,b a = (log,a b)^2, so a,k=((log,(k+1) (k+2))^2.
    The product may be written as (log,2 (n+1))^2 , so P,n=log,(n+1) 2 * log,2 (n+1) {that is equal to 1} times 2^n /n!
    The summation is a Taylor series that is equal to e^2 -3

  • wherestheshroomsyo
    wherestheshroomsyo 9 months ago

    e^2 -3
    Aryan Jain: "Prove it"


    e^2 - 3, only applying logarithm's properties. Results the summation of n = 2 to infinity, and that is the summation of n = 0 to infinity minus the terms of n = 0 and n = 1, which are 1 and 2 respectivly. We know that the summation of n = 0 to infinity of (2)^n/n! is e^2, whose difference with 3 is equal to e^2 - 3!

  • About Math
    About Math 9 months ago


  • Lasitha Nirmitha
    Lasitha Nirmitha 9 months ago

    answer is e^2-3
    first consider the general term of a, we can simplify it to (logk+1 (k+2))\(logk+2 (k+1)) ×(2/k) by using logarithm rules. using that and using the formula loga(b)=logc(b)/logc(a) we can find pn to be 2^n/n!. by summing pn from 2 to infinity we get the answer e^2-3

  • Rudra Pratap Singh
    Rudra Pratap Singh 9 months ago

    Using simple properties of log the expression simplifies to (ln2)(2^n/nlog(n+1)) then apply ratio test which gives 2 and hence it diverges.

  • Angelo D.
    Angelo D. 9 months ago

    Beautiful problem! I got the same answer e^2-3, but I'm late... Thanks for your challenging questions and congratulations for your great work!

  • Nicola C
    Nicola C 9 months ago

    The answer is e²-3.
    Pₙ simplifies with a lot of log properties and all logs cancel out, leaving 2ⁿ/n!.
    We have to evaluate ∑ from 2 to ∞ of 2ⁿ/n!.
    If we consider the sum from 0 to ∞, it is the power series of e².
    So we have to subtract 2⁰/0! and 2¹/1!, which is just 3.
    Therefore our final answer is e²-3 and we are done.

  • Kartik Sharma
    Kartik Sharma 9 months ago


  • Adwait Kulkarni
    Adwait Kulkarni 9 months ago

    The answer is (e²)-3
    First after using the change of base property for logarithms we change a sub k to [2*(ln(k+2))²]/[n*(ln(k+1))²]. We observe that the logarithmic term in the numerator of a of k is the same and the denominator of a of (k+1). Therefore while evaluating the product after many cancellations we the get product to be equal to [(2^(n-1))*(ln(n+1))²]/[(n-1)!* (ln2)²]
    Similarly manipulating the the terms before the Product in P of n we get that Pn equals [2^n]/n!
    The sum is similar to the series expansion of e², so after adding and subtracting [(2^0)/0! + (2^1)/1!] We get the answer of the summation as e² - 3

  • Rajat Khandelwal
    Rajat Khandelwal 9 months ago

    I think ans is e^2 - 3
    Because when we solve for ak we get (2/k)(log base(k+1) k+2)^2 and when
    We product it from k=1 to n-1 weget expression 2^n-1/(n-1)!(log 2(base) n+1)
    Now when we solve for pn we get 2/n(log (n+1)(base) 2) and when we product it with ak we get 2^n/n! Now summation of this is clearly a divergence sequence and it get us ans of e^2-3

  • Aswini Banerjee
    Aswini Banerjee 9 months ago

    (log(x^n) to the base of y^m) means n/m*logx to the base of y. By this rule we get a_k=(2/k)*(log(k+2)/log(k+1))^2
    Now the product of a_k is telescopic and equals to (2^(n-1)/(n-1)!)(log(n+1)/log2)^2
    Now the first term in p_n equals to (2/n)*(log2/log(n+1))^2
    So p_n =2^n/n!
    Now n=2 to inf sum of p_n is equal to (sum of (2^n/n!) from n=0 to inf)-2^0/0!-2^1/1!=e^2-3

  • Hiren Bavaskar
    Hiren Bavaskar 9 months ago

    Answer is e^2 -3
    Using properties of log, ak simplifies to
    Finally using properties of log and simplifying Pn, we get Pn as
    2^n/n! Hence the series can summed using the expansion of e and noticing the value of e^2= 1+ 2/1+ 2^2/2!....
    Hence our series which is 2^2/2! + 2^3/3!..... comes to e^2-3

  • Albanovaphi7
    Albanovaphi7 9 months ago

    En efecto , es fácil comprobar usando propiedades de logaritmos que a_k = (2/k)(log(k+1)(k+2))^2 (donde log(a)(b) significa que a es la base y b la potencia), y el productorio PI(desde k=1)(hasta n-1) = [(2^(n-1))/(n-1)]*(log(2)(3)*log(3)(4)...log(n)(n+1))^2 = [(2^(n-1))/(n-1)]*(log(2)(n+1))^2. Reemplazando esto en p_n los logaritmos se cancelan quedando que p_n = (2^n)/n! y está claro que la sumatoria (que llamaremos S) se obtiene de la expresión e^x=(x^0)/0! + (x^1)/1! + ... + (x^n)/n! donde x=2. Entonces e^2 = (2^0)/0! + (2^1)/1! + (2^2)/2! ... + (2^n)/n! = 1 + 2 + ((2^2)/2! ... + (2^n)/n! ) = 3 + (S), luego S converge a (e^2 - 3), es decir; S=(e^2 - 3).

  • Woof
    Woof 9 months ago

    Answer is : e^2 - 3

    a_k is simplified to (2/k)(log_k+1 k+2)^2
    Πa_k = (2^(n-1)/(n-1)!)(log_2 n+1)^2
    P_n = 2^n/n!
    ΣP_n is very similar to the taylor series of e^x at x=2, but subtracting the first 2 term
    therefore, ΣP_n = e^2 -1 -2 = e^2 -3

  • Quahntasy - Animating Universe

    Nice problem. I think the answer is e^2-3

  • Abraham del Valle Rodríguez

    Since log_a (b^c) = c*log_a (b) and log_a (b) = log b / log a, after simplifying some terms, we can conclude that a_k = 2/k * (log (k+2) / log (k+1))^2. The product of all the a_k is then equal to 2^(n-1)/(n-1)! * (log (n+1) / log 2)^2. Simplifying in a similar way the first fraction, we obtain 2/n * (log 2 / log (n+1))^2, so all the logarithms disappear and we get P_n = 2^n/n!
    On the other hand, we know that the sum (from n = 0 to infinity) of x^n/n! is equal to e^x, so the sum of P_n from n = 2 to infinity is equal to e^2-2^0/0!-2^1/1! = e^2 - 3.

  • Bin Vissotsak
    Bin Vissotsak 9 months ago

    Ans: e^2

  • Allan Lago
    Allan Lago 9 months ago

    I got e^2 -3.
    a_k = (2k/(2k-1) log_(k+1) (k+2))/(k^2 /(2k-1) log_(k+2) (k+1)) = 2/k *(log_(k+1) (k+2))^2.
    P_n = 2/n *(log_(n+1) (2))^2 * product{a_k}
    Using the property log_a (b) * log_c (d) = log_a (d) * log_c (b):
    P_n = 2/n * product{2/k}
    ln(P_n) = n * ln(2) - sum {ln(k)} -ln(n)
    ln(P_n) = n*ln(2)-ln(n!)
    P_n = 2^n /(n!)
    sum{P_n} from n = 2 to inf = sum{2^n /(n!)} from n = 2 to inf = e^2 -3.

  • Beshoy Nabil
    Beshoy Nabil 9 months ago

    Ans = (e^2)-3 approximately 4.389056
    Since log (a^b) to base (c^d) = (b/d)* log (a) to base (c) & log (a) to base (c)= log (a)/log(c)
    Then a_k = (2*((log(k+2))^2))/(k*((log(k+1))^2))
    So the product of these terms from k=1 to n-1 will telescope giving ((2^(n-1))*((log(n+1))^2))/(((n-1)!)*((log(2))^2)) then multiplying it by the rest of P_n expression after applying the first rules will end
    at P_n = 2^n / n!
    Since e^x = Summation of x^n/n! from n=0 to infinity
    Then e^2 = 1+2/1! + Summation of 2^n/n! from n=2 to infinity
    Then Summation of 2^n/n! from n=2 to infinity = (e^2)-3

  • Gabriel N.
    Gabriel N. 9 months ago +2

    Beautiful problem. I believe it's e^2-3, but I'll leave this one alone.

    • Gabriel N.
      Gabriel N. 9 months ago +2

      ... I said I didn't want to participate this week.

  • Essentials Of Math
    Essentials Of Math 9 months ago +10

    e^2 - 3.
    Using some log properties, a_k simplifies to 2/k * ln^2(k+2)/ln^2(k+1). Similarly, the expression outside of the product simplifies to 2/n * ln^2(2)/ln^2(n+1). It can then be observed that P_n telescopes down to 2^n / n!. We know e^x = 1 + x + x^2/2! + x^3/3! +..., So e^2 = 1 + 2 + (sum of P_n), so rearranging gives a result of e^2 -3.

    • Yugesh Keluskar
      Yugesh Keluskar 9 months ago

      You got a new subscriber

    • adandap
      adandap 9 months ago

      Essentials Of Math - ah, thank you. Expressing all of the logs in terms of base 2 was the missing link for me. (BTW, I think your answer here is missing that it's the *square* of log_2 (n+1) that appears in the expression for the coefficient and the a_k)

  • Rafael Assunção
    Rafael Assunção 9 months ago +1