Black Panther Oscars - SHOULD IT WIN?

  • Published on Feb 23, 2019
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    For the first time ever the Oscars are considering a superhero movie for best picture! Black Panther was one of the most highly regarded Marvel films ever, but is a Black Panther Oscar unfair? The Oscars haven’t ever cared about Marvel movies before, so is Black Panther getting special treatment? Or is Black Panther the first Marvel movie that actually deserves to be in the best picture Oscar race? Let’s remember, the Academy Awards did not nominate Avengers Infinity War, and before that, famously The Dark Knight was not nominated for best picture despite being the best movie out that year. What do you think? Is the Academy being too generous or does Black Panther deserve to win?
    On this episode of the #debrief, Erik Voss, Filup Molina, and Sam Bashor weigh in on this issue, plus share some new findings from the latest Captain Marvel trailer clip, geek out over the new Jordan Peele Twilight Zone series, mourn the death of Jessica Jones and Punisher, and every other big nerd story you might have missed this week.
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Comments • 854

  • New Rockstars
    New Rockstars  4 months ago +141

    Segment Timestamps:
    0:45 - Black Panther Best Picture
    15:50 - Trivia Question
    17:12 - Loki Update
    19:44 - Captain Marvel New Scene
    27:43 - Punisher & Jessica Jones Canceled
    35:47 - Twilight Zone Trailer Breakdown
    42:22 - In Other News
    45:15 - Lightning Round
    48:56 - 15 Second Shout Outs
    50:33 - Trivia Answers, Gif of Shame & Goodbyes

    • Plug Club
      Plug Club 3 months ago

      Endgame = time's up (just saying cap, black widow, papper pot, shuri)

    • ploddodd
      ploddodd 4 months ago +1

      Any chance you could post a link to that essay Eric mentioned about the kree/skrull war relating to cold war real world issues? Would really appreciate it. Thanks.

    • pey
      pey 4 months ago

      omg thank you for this

    • Omikron
      Omikron 4 months ago +1

      Black panther was crap

    • MrSushiCat13
      MrSushiCat13 4 months ago


  • jenna sanchez
    jenna sanchez 3 months ago +1

    yikes the amount of racism in the comments is kind of startling? I 100% doubt any of you have had opinions this intense (if at all) on the Oscars and its nominations as of 2019.

  • jacob morales
    jacob morales 3 months ago

    yes let’s go

  • sarosh ENCORE
    sarosh ENCORE 3 months ago

    We'll see if a Marvel/DC movie comes in 2020 Oscars. Waiting for that now.

  • dan glenzig
    dan glenzig 3 months ago

    it would be racist to NOT give it the best movie ever made

  • Aaron Rainbolt
    Aaron Rainbolt 3 months ago

    What's so bad about the Oscars. You mention Netflix but wouldn't it be cool to have a Netflix awards? Just like crunchy roll has one

  • Mr.A 3000
    Mr.A 3000 3 months ago

    Disney Buys Marvel In 2009-Should It Great?

  • Mae Cervantes
    Mae Cervantes 3 months ago

    ..”Dust and blood..”

  • Keith Miller
    Keith Miller 3 months ago

    But what about Infinity War ?

  • The Emerald Axe
    The Emerald Axe 3 months ago +2

    it was only the third best superhero movie this year, tbh If the oscars where fair I wouldn't be surprised if spider verse won.

  • Beth D
    Beth D 3 months ago

    that cover is awful but it really opened the door to MJ for me so...

  • daniel thomass
    daniel thomass 3 months ago

    black panther the first marvel movie i slaped torught

  • Queenie Bee
    Queenie Bee 3 months ago

    I think Annette Benning will be yon rogg not jude law

  • Plug Club
    Plug Club 3 months ago

    Endgame = time's up (just saying cap, black widow, papper pot, shuri)

  • שמוליק מעודה

    was it a good movie ??? it was OK, but as one that enjoyed thor 2, i was bored in BP, i will not go see BP 2...

  • Vishnu Nair
    Vishnu Nair 3 months ago

    Not one but 3 Oscars!

    • Shak
      Shak 3 months ago

      Which they deserve

  • Rikke
    Rikke 3 months ago

    So nothing about the Captain Marvel controversy? I mean, it's pretty big news...No other Marvel film has ever had this kind of buzz surrounding it before the release. Besides, I'd love to hear all of you guys take on the situation.

  • Kevin Roth
    Kevin Roth 4 months ago

    No. Not even top 5 MCU movies. Objectively speaking. I liked BP, but it is NOT best picture material.

  • Chris Padilla
    Chris Padilla 4 months ago

    For the Captain Marvel debrief about the brainwashing, it reminds me of an episode in Black Mirror called “Men Against Fire” (Season 3, Episode 5) where the military were brainwashed to think the people in poverty were these horrid monsters and would try to eliminate them. Do you think this is what might be happening in Captain Marvel? (Just instead of the whole people in poverty it’s actually the Skrulls)

  • Mandd Pool
    Mandd Pool 4 months ago

    looks like David Bowie

  • Brian Forrest
    Brian Forrest 4 months ago

    But Eric, how do you feel about the Oscars?

  • Gonzalo Bernal
    Gonzalo Bernal 4 months ago

    It's rigged stop trying to play like you don't know

  • Liquid Midnight07
    Liquid Midnight07 4 months ago

    Learns eric doesnt know star trek lore: unsubscribes immediately. Lol

  • MrPriestInc
    MrPriestInc 4 months ago

    Wizards would destroy anything except a God figure.

  • Romono Capprotti
    Romono Capprotti 4 months ago +1

    Hell no it shouldn't win. If The dark Knight wasn't even nominated then why should this movie even be considered.the Dark Knight has been and always will be the standard bearer for comic book movies

  • this is stevie
    this is stevie 4 months ago

    erik hops on the soap box in this one, woot

  • Leonardo George
    Leonardo George 4 months ago

    What are you guys drinking in those cups for so long and by the way how do I get me one of em?

  • Les Iloud
    Les Iloud 4 months ago

    Yes maybe the oscars nominated BP because they were only black people and it’s was popular and I TOTALLY AGREE THAT AVENGER INFINITY WAR SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOMINATED.BUT even if the movie didn’t get nominated, the movie would have still be popular and still would’ve made a lot of money. So either way, you can not denial that BP was one of the most hyped movie of 2018 and for me BP and A:Infinity war were both amazing movie
    Now I want you to answer this question:
    If BP and Infinity War would’ve been nominated both at the oscars would you still bash on BP and say that the oscars are racist?🤔
    Comments pls

  • Adriana Meza
    Adriana Meza 4 months ago +3

    I think was so black panther was over rated. I was literally bored watching it

  • Oczkins92
    Oczkins92 4 months ago

    Politcial corectness wins again.Avengers : Infity War should get a oscar.

  • Craig Perry
    Craig Perry 4 months ago +1

    Black Panther doesn't deserve it.

  • mike Jefferson
    mike Jefferson 4 months ago

    Captain Marvel Black Panther vs everybody

  • Tony Xing
    Tony Xing 4 months ago +1

    Bruh IW > BP

  • Moneymakingmac
    Moneymakingmac 4 months ago

    Where were you when la la land got nominated? Lmfao of course this is a problem huh

  • Daniel R
    Daniel R 4 months ago +1

    Black panther didn't deserve an oscar

  • Olee
    Olee 4 months ago

    I hope Black Panther wins and all the alt-right incel snowflakes cry in their mom's basement.

  • Elias Martinez
    Elias Martinez 4 months ago +2

    Black Panther was a pretty good movie but definitely not Oscar worthy. I've also heard people say iw should have been nominated but the only problem is as a stand-alone movie infinity war would make no sense so it's a tricky movie to judge on its own.

  • Deadpool
    Deadpool 4 months ago +1


  • Aaron Galibert
    Aaron Galibert 4 months ago

    I think BP is dope as hell and is a top ten movie of the year for me but in saying that the dark knight and Logan are far better movies that deserved nominations and TDK should have won BP

  • Galaxy Girl
    Galaxy Girl 4 months ago

    Oh my God you people (in the comments)are complaining about something you have no control of. Suck it up, millions love Black Panther, it got nominated, live with it.

  • ryleigh
    ryleigh 4 months ago

    sam was wearing a beanie the whole time?? hahahah

  • Justin Smith
    Justin Smith 4 months ago +1

    No. No it does not.

  • Masterwizard25
    Masterwizard25 4 months ago +1

    There were a lot of things that Black Panther did right. I think most people that don't like it think that way because the plot _did_ follow a generic superhero plot and ultimately lead to one of many over-used CGI fights. However, in my opinion, the pros outweigh the cons.This movie is much like Wonder Woman in that it has good messages and shines light on real issues, but it's also a blockbuster superhero movie.

  • Honestly AV 2
    Honestly AV 2 4 months ago +1

    Black panther was a good solid MCU movie. But by no means is it deserving of a Best Picture Oscar. Anyone who lumps Black Panther in with the likes of Million Dollar Baby, Silence of the Lambs, Platoon & Godfather shouldn't be allowed to rate movies.

  • kelly olivo
    kelly olivo 4 months ago +1

    Black panther was over hyped/overrated. I’m sorry. It’s okay there are a handful of not so good marvel movies. if people didn’t hype it up so much my expectations wouldn’t have been that high but I was let down with the movie. it’s a good movie but it’s not a great movie. But I also understand why it’s being nominated because it was a GREAT representation for black people.

  • Andrew Pleva
    Andrew Pleva 4 months ago +1

    Black Panther is an affirmative action nomination and you all know it.

  • stanlee06
    stanlee06 4 months ago +2

    No, it was mediocre movie, and even not best Marvel movie in 2018.

  • Megs
    Megs 4 months ago

    Maybe the reason the time stone did the thing it does when it's getting used is because when thanos put it into the gauntlet maybe in the future it reversed the snap since it did the thing it does when it getting used this is just a theory but maybe?

  • Juan Se Dueñas
    Juan Se Dueñas 4 months ago +2

    Sam and Erik talk so much shit... Clearly they don't have ANY IDEA of what Filmmaking is about, nor even cinema history; the art of aesthetics and investigation applyed to productions and Art Direction... They just feel they can say whatever they think is "smart" to say because they feel awesome about been complete nerds with none background in the topics they most think they have the right to speak of!...

  • Juan Se Dueñas
    Juan Se Dueñas 4 months ago +1

    You guys need to understand the BIG difference between the types of movies that are part of the real recognized work that deserves an Oscar, and other is the material full of visuals but in escence are not that of a big deal...

  • Greg Scott
    Greg Scott 4 months ago

    wow i've asked better questions than this BS!!!!

  • Greg Scott
    Greg Scott 4 months ago

    Will Smith won't be in Suicide Squad 2 because he is shooting Bad Boys 3 + 4 so he is busy!!!

  • Cirrus
    Cirrus 4 months ago +1

    BP was pretty good, but Spiderverse was waaaaayyyy better and it only got a nomination for best animated sooooo no. ESPECIALLY WITH THAT CRAPPY CGI FIGHT SCENE.

  • Randy Medrano
    Randy Medrano 4 months ago

    Alita has great cgi

  • tushar patel
    tushar patel 4 months ago +1

    Tese days every public organisations and marketing industries like entertainment industry are becoming more pro-(so-called)minority. Don't know why but they are. And the unwanted indulgence has become creepy now.

  • Ben Chrisoit
    Ben Chrisoit 4 months ago +2

    No, just because it has a black cast doesn't make it Oscar worthy. The acting was shit, especially from Michonne, the accent was terrible.

  • Cold Sooner
    Cold Sooner 4 months ago +1

    Who cares?

  • wxwarrior76
    wxwarrior76 4 months ago

    Infinity War is the best movie I've seen in years. Definitely better than the Panther. It's good but we all know why......

  • Trey Mobley
    Trey Mobley 4 months ago +1

    Next time y’all about how Bri larceny talked about how white males shouldn’t see captain marvel

  • Henry Lubke
    Henry Lubke 4 months ago

    So are the Netflix marvel shows going to pick up where they left off on a different platform other than Netflix or is it canceled completely

  • John Harrison
    John Harrison 4 months ago

    Big accomplishment

  • Lotte Terpstra
    Lotte Terpstra 4 months ago


  • The Spice Of Stockton
    The Spice Of Stockton 4 months ago +3

    Honestly, it was good but it wasn’t great. Infinity War was better in my opinion.

  • Ray
    Ray 4 months ago

    why don't they give oscars to good films the masses enjoyed. wtf is vice anyway. SCREW OSCARS

  • Chris Fida
    Chris Fida 4 months ago

    Bohemian Rhapsody should win

  • Mama With A Mop
    Mama With A Mop 4 months ago

    Love that Oscar rant. Right on ✊🏼

  • Reckless Lixx
    Reckless Lixx 4 months ago

    no but bohemian rhapsody SHOULD

  • The Man
    The Man 4 months ago

    A shame that the debate around Black Panther has become so toxic.

  • The Man
    The Man 4 months ago

    People should’ve known by now that Oscars best picture awards isn’t always necessarily about the best objective film, but about its effect and cultural impact. I preferred Infinity War but I understand it. Who cares about the Oscars anyway?

  • draper horton
    draper horton 4 months ago +1

    So can’t win cause he’s rich......dumbest thing that’s been Said on here..

  • Scorpius Jones
    Scorpius Jones 4 months ago

    Wonder why so many predominantly white people have such a problem understanding why BP was amazing?😄

  • Damien Inguanzo
    Damien Inguanzo 4 months ago +2

    No it should not if there going to play the black cast and all that stuff card then us should win it will be good and no lie I love black panther

  • Dr. PussySlam
    Dr. PussySlam 4 months ago

    Holy shit it’s Ben Bashor’s brother! I saw your dad the other day! Awwwww yeeeeeeeeeee

  • sanyamkhetarpal07
    sanyamkhetarpal07 4 months ago +1


  • suffering;
    suffering; 4 months ago

    iw didnt break records and make literally history like bp did, thats why it isnt nominated. black panther deserves to be nominated weather it will/should win is debatable tho

  • Rae Lynn
    Rae Lynn 4 months ago

    With everyone having their own streaming service is only going to cause an increase in piracy. And in 5 years I can see Netflix start winning all the awards because they won't have to work under a studio formula.

  • Hipster_Gaming 21
    Hipster_Gaming 21 4 months ago


  • William Waylett
    William Waylett 4 months ago +1

    Avatar is just blue pocahontas

  • Marc Villa
    Marc Villa 4 months ago

    Kinda real late question but in guardians of the galaxy 2 ego like hypnotizes quill the he mentions he sees eternity and I was wondering what u think about that NewRockstars

  • Matt Piers
    Matt Piers 4 months ago

    You can tell the hate on BP is race based because it's not even close to being the worst movie being nominated for Best Picture, yet everyone is jumping on this bashing bandwagon.

  • Matt Piers
    Matt Piers 4 months ago

    Film is subjective. If Black Panther made billions of dollars and has been nominated for numerous awards, then there's a lot of people who think it's good. So I don't get why so many people are so damn upset. Geez.

  • Matt Piers
    Matt Piers 4 months ago

    Yes it deserves it! Can't believe so many salty fanboys have their panties in a bunch.

  • F Larocque
    F Larocque 4 months ago +1


  • Hydrant Tier
    Hydrant Tier 4 months ago

    After watching infinity war again I realised that when Tony tells Bruce that the person that could find vision is Steve Rogers. But after he says this Doctor Strange and Wong tut. What I’m wondering is if Doctor Strange and Wong know about the events in civil war. If they do then how do they know? The only avenger that they met before infinity war was Thor, although he didn’t know about civil war either.

  • Mac Potts
    Mac Potts 4 months ago +1

    I turned Black Panther off when they stole “precious black diamonds”. The movie and its backers lost me when they promoted these ridiculous gems. I know an old lady who was taken in by these things and it was really just sad. This was ten years ago and it still makes me mad.

  • Cribby Banks
    Cribby Banks 4 months ago +1

    A lot of people say black Panther is a great movie it’s a good movie never would call it a great movie

  • Matthew Lofton
    Matthew Lofton 4 months ago

    "There’s always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!"

    Probably the most perfect quote to describe the influence of personal technology upon our daily lives. All the stuff we're freaking out about as we wonder if this time we've crossed a tipping point has been happening ever since the first caveman threw the first rock. Cooler heads will always prevail.

  • Cliff Alexander
    Cliff Alexander 4 months ago

    Erik, your rant just made me like you a whole lot more. Keep that info up!

    DARK DAWNING 4 months ago

    You should make a theory about "How To Train Your Dragon The Hidden World"

  • chin turner
    chin turner 4 months ago

    Let's keep it Real, BLACK PANTHER to me GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME, personally I been waiting on this movie FOREVER!!!! SINCE THE COMIC BOOKS IN THE 80s And RYAN COOGLER NAILED IT. The reason it will not win, but truly deserves it. Is because for the same reason it took them FOREVER to bring it out to the big screen. Folks say black people can't sell in Hollywood, they will not sell in Hollywood, they can't act. That's what they say. But however, every actor in that movie brought it. They all did a fantastic, fabulous, terrific and magnificent job. Slap the person who said that dumb 🐴💩 in the FACE! The problem for not getting what it deserves is Pure RACISM. Let's keep it real. If you say it's not a GREAT movie r THE BEST MOVIE, it's a lion King spin off are whatever hatred you have to say, you KNOW YOUR WRONG u NEED to WATCH LION KING and BLACK PANTHER OVER, NOTHING in COMMON. But YOUR JUDGMENT. You hate to see black people have the title of a BEST MOVIE of the YEAR. it is what it is. So it will not be a surprise if STAR WARS win. Thanks to thin layer of skin. KEEP IT REAL!!!! Nobody mad with you, it is what it is. Are should I say YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE!!! Best movie hands down BLACK PANTHER!!!! 🐱WAKANDA FOREVER🙅🏾‍♂️!!!!!!

  • Christopher O'Neal
    Christopher O'Neal 4 months ago +5

    I want black panther to win just to piss people off 😂😂😂😂. Anyway. Art is subjective. I’m seeing a ton of comments desperately trying to convince others it was overhype...think you guys are trying too hard to turn an option into facts. Can’t tell others how to take something. BP, whether you want to admit it or not, touched a lot of people in ways you might not relate to.

    • Matthew Palminteri
      Matthew Palminteri 4 months ago +1

      Art cannot be subjective. You cannot make claims that a piece of art is beautiful without an objective standard of what beautiful is.

  • schticknic
    schticknic 4 months ago +1

    No. If the Oscars is supposed to have any gravitas... No. Best picture? Jfc, no.

  • BrianStyleDeath
    BrianStyleDeath 4 months ago +2

    Obviously not, it's almost a comically overrated movie. Got popular due to weird unnecessary race stuff. No marvel movie has ever deserved top picture.

  • Aydin The Blazer
    Aydin The Blazer 4 months ago

    Yo newrockstars, apparently the second villain are the '' infinity stones", themselves

  • Mitch Richardson
    Mitch Richardson 4 months ago

    Twilight zone episodes that I cot
    #1 nightmare at 20,000 feet
    #2 Nick of time
    #3 it's a good life :May be
    #4 one of kind stop watch :May be
    #5 the hitch hicker:May be
    #6 22:May be

  • Sai Pranav Yamjala
    Sai Pranav Yamjala 4 months ago

    My friend: hey who should win a Oscar
    Me: me

  • TheRealCSD
    TheRealCSD 4 months ago +1

    There are many super hero movies that deserved oscars but never got nominated for anything

  • TheRealCSD
    TheRealCSD 4 months ago +1

    Usually I'll watch a lot of movies that get a lot of awards from the oscars and then I laugh because a lot of them end up being so over rated. I remember watching the grand budepest hotel and laughing so hard because how not great it was

  • Darah Turner
    Darah Turner 4 months ago +2

    BP, without a doubt deserves Oscars for Original Score, Prod. Design, and Costumes. Hands down. The others are debatable.

  • Missed Murphy
    Missed Murphy 4 months ago +1

    Black Panther doesn't deserve the best picture award. At all. It was a good movie but not a great one. A Star is Born deserves to win that award