Film Theory: Is Suicide Squad's Joker ACTUALLY Batman's Boy Wonder?

  • Published on Jun 1, 2017
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    With Wonder Woman coming out in theaters this week, I felt it was time to take a look back at some of DC's other movies from the past few years. Specifically, Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad. Back before Suicide Squad and Batman v. Superman hit theaters, there was a theory kicking around that Jared Leto's Joker was secretly Batman's sidekick, Robin. But the Director of Suicide Squad, David Ayer, seemed to dismiss this saying that Jason Todd, former Robin #2 was NOT the Joker. However, the proof we cover today shows that Suicide Squad's Joker can still be Robin...just not the Robin that everyone thought.
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  • Joe Merino-Hernandez
    Joe Merino-Hernandez 6 hours ago

    Your dumb

  • Kinley Handersen
    Kinley Handersen 7 hours ago

    Man I just love your intros MatPat. State of the art.
    Oh, and no one cares about Jimmy Oleson.

  • Zxar
    Zxar 7 hours ago


  • Git Gud
    Git Gud 9 hours ago

    Rich = Richard, Dick = Dickard. Science.

  • Eclipse Knight Animation

    Holy Mac and cheese batman

  • Dragon Windh
    Dragon Windh 10 hours ago

    Forgot Damien there mat

  • Kat Galactic
    Kat Galactic 11 hours ago

    Let’s be honest, he’s too short

  • Lisa George
    Lisa George 11 hours ago

    🤬🤬🤬I don’t want into town to go also have staff how does this work you got to read

  • Natasha Tapia
    Natasha Tapia 11 hours ago

    Jared leto is super cute even when he is creepy lol.

  • Springlift 67
    Springlift 67 13 hours ago

    What about teen titans go that’s the exact robin

  • PaulTheoman 13
    PaulTheoman 13 13 hours ago

    How would dick Grayson be buried before Bruce parents died that makes no fucking sense

  • Lemonade Demon
    Lemonade Demon 16 hours ago

    VRV isn't in England, guess I'm gonna have to miss out on fricking *Boruto* , tbh you can get official rips of the first season and more on the youtube channel, Bravest Warriors is good af



  • Reverse Fuhrer
    Reverse Fuhrer Day ago

    This channel is a living meme.

  • Devin Hinman
    Devin Hinman Day ago

    11:47 I'm spichis of him he's holding the camera like the joker in the killing joke

  • Noire
    Noire Day ago

    So.. joacquin's joker is the real one? Since the movie is about origin of joker... if there are 2 joker then this calls for twinsanity!!! Real joker meet Robin joker~ Btw jared leto's joker isn't so bad, since joker is an insane guy anything can happened (^-^)

  • mohsen salehi
    mohsen salehi Day ago

    Actually, Tim Drake is the Red Robin, not a joker.

  • Slex Sele
    Slex Sele Day ago

    You forgot the girl joker

  • Drew Hannoush
    Drew Hannoush Day ago

    He has to be Dick because Zack said that the dead robin with the suit in the Batcave was Dick Grayson. This could go with your theory saying that in stead of Jason getting beaten to death, it was the original Robin, who in this case was revised by someone, Brian washed by Harline Quinze, and became the joker

  • Dylan Ffhhhjj
    Dylan Ffhhhjj Day ago

    4 robins Damien wane

  • Frosty Pizza
    Frosty Pizza Day ago

    Soooooo did teen titans completely debunk this theory or is that different universe

  • Laura Ess
    Laura Ess 2 days ago

    Shades of the SEQUEL to the graphic novel THE DARK NIGHT RETURNS (a terrible book).

  • j jam
    j jam 2 days ago


  • LoudMouth P
    LoudMouth P 2 days ago

    Mr.j could be for mr jason but whatever

  • Matheus Cavallari
    Matheus Cavallari 2 days ago

    11:48 kkkkkkkk, I wouldn't be mad, I would love actually. But good joke

  • big geko
    big geko 2 days ago

    God dang brutes

  • Remmy
    Remmy 2 days ago

    YA BUT- If DICK is supposed to be in Teen Titans(NOT GO NOT CANNON NOT GOOD except for Trigons development....anyways), then why does DICK use a staff in Teen Titans and why does TIM use a staff in THIS Theory?! WHAT IF, hear me out... Dick never died, Joker kidnapped him and Harley Brainwashed Dick? ( this is meer focus on Teen Titans' timeline lining up with everything else.) Robin is confirmed as DickGrayson in Teen Titans, Circus tent, Batman background, etc. Circus can be seen in Haunted, Apprentice he says" I already have a Father" When Slade is like all creepy and goes"I could be like a Father to you.." or something similar. Batman hides the fact that Dick Grayson got kidnapped...Because believe me you know THE Titans by now, would be up in his business, (Starfire particularly. because Babs and Dick make no sense to me Age wise.) Babs at the start is a fifteen-year old-TEENAGER-. and Starfire is around Twenty, I.e same age as DICK. if we pinpoint the age Babs meets Dick, she is only Eighteen or nineteen. Anyways. Dick being seen in the Judas Contract -Justice Leauge VS titans also can be argued with as this is basically retcon of the former series,Teen Titans, making it the correct team. IF We connected the original series too Suicide Squad, we could also argue that SLADE may have brainwashed Dick, maybe Joker broke in,kidnapped him-and then he becomes Joker.Rant aside, why the hell does DICK use a Staff in Teen Titans when Tim uses it everywhere else?!

  • TheGravyTrain 5076
    TheGravyTrain 5076 2 days ago

    Robin was 9 when he started crime fighting... doesn’t make the theory wrong just wanted to mention it

  • Diamond Tiaria
    Diamond Tiaria 2 days ago

    Also Amanda waller appears in the show, Arrow

  • dan_ryan
    dan_ryan 2 days ago

    That's hella cool

  • I’m Kaidenshay
    I’m Kaidenshay 3 days ago

    Dick Grayson

  • West Sosh
    West Sosh 3 days ago

    There are 4 robins because Batman’s son Damian Wayne

  • Jackson Maier
    Jackson Maier 3 days ago

    Dick Grayson is in titans

  • PatrickMatrix
    PatrickMatrix 3 days ago

    or it either could be just the ace chemical making his skin look younger

  • I will eat Ur children

    Ok so basically I LOVE THIS CHANNEL

  • Amber Jones
    Amber Jones 3 days ago

    if you answered yes or no to any of these questions...

  • Kevin Luper
    Kevin Luper 3 days ago

    I'd say Joaquin Phoenix is the og joker.

  • Dead hook
    Dead hook 3 days ago


  • Orlin Maldonadomolina

    Put when super girl when she was a hero didn't Batman die when super girl became a hero

  • Twister games
    Twister games 3 days ago

    What i got out of the video ( bc im sleepy):
    The robin from teen titans go is tim drake

  • Seth Tseng
    Seth Tseng 4 days ago

    Lol I'm late, 2019?

  • Gold-Sama
    Gold-Sama 4 days ago

    Grayson is confirmed to be the Robin who died to Joker, meaning he was a Robin and not dead from the beginning. We can't assume the micro-explosives are made by Cadmus as they have different functions from Beyond's chip. Plus Cadmus specialises in cloning, bio weapons and life rather than technological gadgets. A possible reason for the Harley to force memory loss is because it's her job and she wants her lover to be rehabilitated. Also unless they're ages are mentioned (even that we still can't be sure), we don't have a grasp on how old anyone is therefore we can't assume Joker is older or younger. Especially just based on actor's age. You also mention that Robin join one year after Bruce becomes Batman, but unless all the events of Red Hood happened between that one year, it's most likely Grayson (and it is Grayson in the comics) not Drake. And with signature weapons, all Robins (if not all, at least Grayson, Drake and Damian) all used a staff as their time as weapon (you even use an image of Titan's Robin with a staff). When Grayson became Nightwing, he used primarily batons whilst when Todd became RedHood, in the new outlaws he used a crowbar with much more correlation to the Joker.

  • DaylightShadows
    DaylightShadows 4 days ago

    I didn't hear about Damian Wayne. You forgot matpat

  • JPlanet Katz
    JPlanet Katz 4 days ago

    Does it have sonic though?
    *Holds a gun to VRV*
    You're dead to me.

  • gery lee
    gery lee 4 days ago

    How dare u say “naruudo “ is naruTO IT SOUNDS LIKE TOE

  • green H
    green H 4 days ago

    What about Damien? He is also robin.

  • Andrew Pitts
    Andrew Pitts 4 days ago

    I hope this is true because I REFUSE that the current version of the Joker is the actual Joker

  • Your Mate666
    Your Mate666 4 days ago +1

    What about the killing joke (comic) joker had a life (and kid) so he was alive before robin

  • Makai Smack
    Makai Smack 4 days ago

    burt lex shaved his hair at the end of the movie

  • Something Random
    Something Random 4 days ago

    Actually I prefer marvel but what ever

  • Attila Toth
    Attila Toth 5 days ago

    if robin is the joker then dose that mean the teen titnes are evil

  • DaShiba
    DaShiba 5 days ago

    Free that’s spells free credit baby 17:59

  • Peter Feeney
    Peter Feeney 5 days ago

    I got crunchyroll

  • Benjamin Correya
    Benjamin Correya 5 days ago

    Her forgot the 4th robin, Damien wayne

  • Drau SkullZ
    Drau SkullZ 5 days ago

    *Badum tsss*

  • Kittikat4124
    Kittikat4124 5 days ago

    There are more than 4 canon robins. Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Damien Wayne, as well as Stephanie Brown. Yep, there was a female one, plus Carrie from a separate timeline

  • Cassie Mosher
    Cassie Mosher 5 days ago

    how would i watch a show from the 1960s 4 or less years ago??????????? wow

  • Elliefailsatart200
    Elliefailsatart200 5 days ago +1

    The only reason I have VRV is to watch and rewatch and rewatch again my hero academia

  • MacGamer Media
    MacGamer Media 5 days ago

    Hey guys, for more information on that Supersane Joker Theory, go check out the Imaginary Axis with Tyler. He explains this whole thing really well and better than I could in a single comment. I’ll leave the link here:

  • Broad-Y x4
    Broad-Y x4 5 days ago +1


  • SuperKawaii SlimeVlogs

    a tiny question into A HUGE PROBLEM

  • CalebLucio
    CalebLucio 5 days ago

    I could predict everything he was gonna say and I’m *a 12 year old child* that’s doesn’t mean it’s not a theory, but if even I can think of it, maybe you should rethink your identity as some sort of genius

  • Joe Kreissl
    Joe Kreissl 5 days ago

    A) Tim drake isn't a Robin
    B) you forgot stephanie brown

  • This Mediocre World
    This Mediocre World 5 days ago

    You forget Damian Wayne

  • Keegan Lockhart
    Keegan Lockhart 5 days ago

    *Robin looks in the toilet after taking a dump*
    Holy crap, Batman!!!

  • Judah Calloway
    Judah Calloway 5 days ago


  • NCHarristudios 66
    NCHarristudios 66 5 days ago

    My real theory is the DCEU happens in the universe of Burton's Batman. (Yeah there are some plot holes like Alfred and Gordon.) So Leto's Joker is a clone of Nicholson's Joker. It makes sense if you think about it.

  • Mary Joseph
    Mary Joseph 5 days ago

    Decode this
    5n8507183 to film theorists

  • Harry Smith
    Harry Smith 5 days ago +1

    Why is the short name for Richard dick
    Why not Richie
    Or rich
    It doesn’t make sense

  • LIL99
    LIL99 5 days ago

    best youtuber in world

  • Heavenly Default
    Heavenly Default 5 days ago


  • Jacob Kyle da joka
    Jacob Kyle da joka 6 days ago

    Drake is stupid he killed triple x die!!!! Drake die!!

  • Beatriz Lopez
    Beatriz Lopez 6 days ago

    17:16 and 17:28 killed me. XD

  • LIL99
    LIL99 6 days ago

    suicide squad 2 it us explained

  • jaseeme williams
    jaseeme williams 6 days ago +4

    that's why batman never kill joker

  • CamTronShow
    CamTronShow 6 days ago

    I actually enjoyed the green lantern movies

  • mossy mae
    mossy mae 7 days ago

    Vrv doesn't work in Australia yet ;-;

  • Robin Parker
    Robin Parker 7 days ago

    dick grayson has always been my favourite robin. i changed my name after him because he meant a lot to me throughout my childhood. mostly because of teen titans and me just wanting to be like him. im a marvel stan but dick grayson is one of my favourite superheros ever.

    • Robin Parker
      Robin Parker 7 days ago

      oh okay so they killed of my favourite dc character the year i was born. okay yeah i see how it is.

  • James Heart
    James Heart 7 days ago

    How about Damian Wayne

  • Btd6 fan
    Btd6 fan 7 days ago

    Is vrv on the switch? Wait no only youtube is onthe switch oh, and hulu i guess

  • Richard Overturf
    Richard Overturf 7 days ago

    Dude this absolutely revived the suicide squad in my eyes, you have no idea how much I hated the jared leto joker. He was completely different than the o.g joker from literally every other DC creation out there. He was so out of place, that to me, he seemed more like a goon of the joker's than the actual joker. But not only does the theory that this is Tim Drake make sense in the DCEU, but it also clears up my own misgivings about this joker incarnation. Thank you!

  • Cristofer Gomez
    Cristofer Gomez 7 days ago

    VRV forever!!!!!!!

  • Seanna Herr
    Seanna Herr 7 days ago

    I have a theory for u matpat, how old would Harley be cause she originally liked the og joker and now she likes this one?

  • Danielle Martinez
    Danielle Martinez 7 days ago


  • Bish Aryal
    Bish Aryal 7 days ago

    Someone hire this guy

  • MacGamer Media
    MacGamer Media 7 days ago +5

    Btw, the Joker isn’t psychotic at all. He’s supersane. He’s more sane than anyone in the comics. He’s a 4th Wall Breaker. Think about it. No one has ever diagnosed him as psychotic or insane. He has a condition beyond any condition humans have seen before. He’s turned sane many times before through events that would make anyone else insane. The Lazarus pit turns anyone insane. When Joker falls into it, he becomes sane. So if he were a level higher than sane it would make sense. supersane - sane = sane. You know why he kills, why he’s always laughing, why he does things no normal human would think of? Because he knows the sickest joke of all. Nothing matters. I’m the antagonist made to do bad things with no other purpose. He knows he’s in a comic. He’s self-aware.

  • Pasta johnsen
    Pasta johnsen 7 days ago

    Jason is my baby so i'm predicting this episode is doing to make me cry

    • Pasta johnsen
      Pasta johnsen 7 days ago

      Well shit how am i supposed to believe Tim is the joker you are stretching this wayyyy too far

    • Pasta johnsen
      Pasta johnsen 7 days ago

      What the fuck "the villainous Red hood" better check your facts

  • Bread Man
    Bread Man 7 days ago


  • Kaptain Rex
    Kaptain Rex 8 days ago

    Are you telling me my favorite robin is now my least favorite character

  • Skinny Ape
    Skinny Ape 8 days ago

    You over analyze good vid tho

  • Robin Dowling
    Robin Dowling 8 days ago

    They also forgot Stephanie brown

  • Storm 1200
    Storm 1200 8 days ago

    in arrow Amanda Waller is leading Argus and has assembled the suiside squad

  • Gd Electroscope
    Gd Electroscope 8 days ago

    Isn’t Damien Wayne a robin too

  • WhiteHairBoy Kun
    WhiteHairBoy Kun 8 days ago

    damn matpat is bad at shout outs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long lmfao

  • Kirishima Toebeansart
    Kirishima Toebeansart 9 days ago +1

    *The bat car brakes down*
    Batman: the BATtery is dead Robin can you go fix it?
    Robin: Batman what’s a TERY

  • Jairuz Mari Pantorilla

    How about summercamp island it kinda looks like adventure time animation and its the animators from adventure time and its from adventure time

  • Brianna Dooley
    Brianna Dooley 9 days ago

    Also Dick's uncle was named Richard Grayson

  • Brianna Dooley
    Brianna Dooley 9 days ago

    More Robins- here is one list of some of them
    Dick Grayson
    Jason Todd
    Tim Drake
    Stephanie Brown
    Damian Wayne
    Helena Wayne
    Duke Thomas
    and there have been more

  • J 25.8069758
    J 25.8069758 9 days ago

    Eyyyyy whoop whoop

  • dim Shady
    dim Shady 9 days ago +2

    Joker cant be Robin couse Harley Quinn killed him.