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  • John Undefined
    John Undefined 3 minutes ago

    I saw the title and thought the original for electronic voting being a bad idea are still valid. I watch the video. And it's a re-hash of the original reasons.

  • iamalongusername
    iamalongusername 35 minutes ago

    I'm not entirely convinced.. Aside from the explaining to people about blockchain, I think it could practically work. Yes, it does have the problem that if you can check it, then someone can try and influence you. However, they would have to actually get your private key which you use to check it to do that. That would take a lot of manpower to pressure enough people to vote a specific way, as they would have to get the private key off everyone. Aside from that, it doesn't really matter what device you use to submit your vote, as long as you can check it afterwards. I also think you could set permissions on who gets to actually view your vote. Like you need your secret password plus your unique key. You could then just give a different password if someone wanted to pressure you to check your vote. Also, as for the machine checking the votes, well every PC could check the votes as well, with all sorts of open source software to verify the count. Just saying, I think there's ways around it all, as long as the actual data remains visible and disassociated with the users without the key.

  • Meme Time
    Meme Time 42 minutes ago

    I’m in Tauranga and we have the largest and most efficient port in New Zealand

  • Paranjay Patel
    Paranjay Patel Hour ago

    fyi the biggest election on planet earth send the voting machine physically for counting . which u mentioned no one does this. classic case of fear mongering against tech.

  • Etu Suku
    Etu Suku Hour ago

    Is anonymity really that important in a nation wide vote? If you can police the counters of the paper ballots, you can police that the voter is kept safe.

  • Melias Clarkson
    Melias Clarkson Hour ago

    afaik my PC doesn't have any malware / software issues. Hardware issues though... It really needs updating.

  • Piotr Stolarczyk

    LastPass > Dashlane

  • Piotr Stolarczyk

    Why are you dismissing so easily "cryptocurrency technology"? Blockchain is old and slow, but Hedera Hashgraph is much more stable secure, and impossible to alter. 100% electronic voting, without moving from home, might not be ideal. But 100% paper voting is not good either.

  • I'm tryna be cray
    I'm tryna be cray 2 hours ago

    dead thats scary

  • Vijay Madkar
    Vijay Madkar 2 hours ago

    The hypothesis needs to be tested, Hope the Modern Science community someday follows this.

  • Justin Moore
    Justin Moore 2 hours ago

    Just one question. How do I work in tech without douchebags poking me?

  • Hilarious usernerm:
    Hilarious usernerm: 2 hours ago

    What if it was an analogue system?

  • Pavel Suk
    Pavel Suk 2 hours ago

    You can manipulate electronic voting, but paper voting as well. Just check in Russia.

  • DarkMatter
    DarkMatter 2 hours ago

    Your case is very poor and flawed. I won't even bother pointing out the many weaknesses. Instead I'll say our entire financial system is built on computing. And their systems are secure. It all depends on how it's implemented.

  • elizabeth 〰
    elizabeth 〰 3 hours ago

    congratulations, pewdiepie called your video great

  • Oonakin
    Oonakin 3 hours ago

    maybe in the future I'll be like an hour behind and they'll be able to see into the future and warn the others about disasters or something

  • Plastic
    Plastic 3 hours ago

    Tom really be vibin' in the tik tok car

  • Anthony PC
    Anthony PC 3 hours ago

    What could humanity conceivably do to reduce the amount of immoral humans motivated to anonymously rip others off, some time before it truly becomes too difficult to counteract them at all... ?

  • Robert Hoople
    Robert Hoople 3 hours ago

    I just don't get why we're not using block-chain technology and an app instead.

  • Ritu Jha
    Ritu Jha 3 hours ago

    What about EVM ?

  • The Voiceless Mind
    The Voiceless Mind 3 hours ago

    I want to him to be my friend

  • Stephen Dee
    Stephen Dee 3 hours ago

    The premise that anonymity is fundamental to protecting election validity is fundamentally flawed. By way of example: aerospace industry safety and reliability is successfully predicated on parts traceability. Without traceability, authorities would not know who's parts broke and parts makers would not know if it was their parts that crashed a plane. If you need a high reliability system, then that system needs to be auditable. Democratic elections today are, for the most part, not auditable from their sourcd, the voters. The solution, here, is a mechanism to make voters accountable for their votes in the same way that their agents, the representatives must cast open votes. Voter anonymity is antithetical to reliability of election results. We have seen this repeatedly in countries around the world. It can happen in any country! You need to think about the cost of buying individual voters. It's not worth doing when the interests can simply and a lot more cheaply, buy one vote on the two issues they care about during a representative's term. Why buy the cow when you 8 by need two cups of milk a year! Centralized voting with source data publicly available for tally is the way to add traceability and auditable to elections. We have the technology and capability. Now, we must use it for good! Your scare tactic about prejudice and discrimination on the basis of political affiliation is probably illegal in most demicracies, so that's not really a legitimate complaint. I'm not saying that *only* electronic voting will solve this traceability problem, but adding source traceability is the way to make electronic voting both viable and reliable.

  • TheXev
    TheXev 4 hours ago

    I live in the United States, and I have hated the fact that voting machine have been forced on me. I do not trust them and I don't trust the elections here anymore, but what choice do I have? The worst part is, these voting machines are the same models that were introduced in 2006-2007! How old is that software? Many of these machines are still running Windows XP! It infurates me.

  • Christopher Young
    Christopher Young 4 hours ago

    Tom you should look into how New York state does electronic voting. The law requires a paper trail, so they use systems from ES&S that scan and count ballots. The results are all hashed, the systems are designed well and designed by laws. The machines are regularly tested many times a years before every election (many elections like town, state, judges, etc.) There is something called the board of elections run by bi-partisan members whose job is to test and deliver the elections. And people use them fine, they didn't need convincing. The same amount of voters turn out since they dropped the lever machines.

  • Jimmy Jimmy
    Jimmy Jimmy 4 hours ago

    Thanks! *Updated my bookmark for when people say we should be able to vote on the internet. We already have enough problems with the voting system we have, let's not add to it.

  • Craig Christ
    Craig Christ 4 hours ago

    The only thing is: If it always comes back to "if the voter cant understand it then they wont trust it", I somehow doubt most voters today even understand how voting systems work. When we put our slips into the machines that tally them up how do we trust those? I dont know how those work and Im way more tech savvy than the layman. Knowing how something works for the average person hardly seems like it matters these days.

  • KC Sutherland
    KC Sutherland 4 hours ago

    "It can still encrypt all the files in your personal directory, all your photos and your business invoices, and lock them away..." Tom, stop giving me flashbacks!

  • Steve Chisnall
    Steve Chisnall 4 hours ago

    Based on BattleBots and RobotWars, I think that robotic motorsports *do* have a place in our future!

  • Right Wing Safety Squad

    I know this doesn't work for the case of computer networking, but if General A takes his entire army to General B, surely then they'd all know when to attack ;)

  • Alex Douglas
    Alex Douglas 4 hours ago

    great subliminal technique there tom, well done

  • The Garden of Eatin
    The Garden of Eatin 4 hours ago

    Whispering to a person standing in the voting booth, what a ridiculous idea. We don't whisper, we write little notes.

  • Daniel Lambert
    Daniel Lambert 5 hours ago

    I really like how his advertisement at then end has a clear break between "You should be using a password manager" and "Dashlane offers..." Very much like public radio :)

  • Steve Chisnall
    Steve Chisnall 5 hours ago

    @enyay 7:00 We live in a world in which Intel knowingly and deliberately coded their software drivers for their graphics chipsets to cheat on the 3DMark hardware benchmarking software used for measuring computer hardware performance.

  • Eppiox
    Eppiox 5 hours ago

    I see that Wizball !

  • B B
    B B 5 hours ago

    All that Overpriced Gravitron needs is a DJ in the middle.

  • Béranger Seguin
    Béranger Seguin 5 hours ago

    And you didn't even talk about the anonymity problems caused by electronic voting... Where there is data, there are logs. If you know (or can know) that a specific vote was cast at a certain point in time, it's highly feasible to find the person who cast it. And don't even get me started on the vote-from-your-computer thing...

  • Howard Schaaf
    Howard Schaaf 5 hours ago

    Makes sense. This is a bug that would drive me insane trying to fix. Probably be like no more drop down notifications for you!

  • Pusfilth
    Pusfilth 5 hours ago

    They might complain about discrimination.

  • Raphaël Ghünnter
    Raphaël Ghünnter 5 hours ago

    Meanwhile, Brazil has had electronic voting for almost 20 years now.

  • Phyrexious
    Phyrexious 5 hours ago

    @Tom Scott I understand the benefits of anonymous voting, but do you consider it absolutely vital to stay this way forever and ever?

  • Andrew Rothman
    Andrew Rothman 5 hours ago

    I take issue with the “trust” points of concern. Who’s to say the average voter will trust anyone counting their paper ballots either? Just because the paper system is simple enough to understand doesn’t mean voters will trust fallible humans any more than they’ll trust fallible machines.

  • Chris Connell
    Chris Connell 6 hours ago

    I guess my problem with our current system is dealing with voter apathy. The easiest voting methods will encourage more people to vote. I say voter blockchain for security!

  • Vatsal Uppal
    Vatsal Uppal 6 hours ago

    What if dash lane gets hacked ?

  • host_runner
    host_runner 6 hours ago

    You gave a lot of anecdotal examples which have no supporting value to your argument.

  • Patricia Richards
    Patricia Richards 6 hours ago

    What a totally ridiculous way to live.

  • host_runner
    host_runner 6 hours ago

    Tom Scott, anonymity and trust DO work in blockchain, why was this not mentioned?

  • Kerbi delsol
    Kerbi delsol 6 hours ago

    For the final counting device, why can't we have multiple ones so each one can be used to check the other one answer ?

  • Isopod
    Isopod 6 hours ago

    0:31 "Elections have some very unusal requirements. There are two key features that are almost opposed to each other: Anonymity and trust." ... This video is sponsored by NordVPN! NordVPN yadda yadda get your free discount now

  • Matt Cooke
    Matt Cooke 6 hours ago

    You can have a system that you trust without knowing how it works. Everybody trusts that the bank will actually transfer that money for you, or that when you go to an ATM it will actually let you take the money out. If banks can work electronically then why can't voting?

  • haiironezumi
    haiironezumi 7 hours ago

    One of the primary arguments for electronic voting is not really an argument for electronic voting at all - accessibility. It boggles the mind to think how difficult some countries make it to vote. In the USA their most important elections happen on a Tuesday. The UK is going to a general election on a Thursday. In Australia, elections are held on a Saturday, at local community centres (usually Primary Schools) - but we also have mandatory voting, so there's more need to vote too.

  • Eddie Willers
    Eddie Willers 7 hours ago

    Meh - Stalin was right; it's not the people voting that matter, but the ones who do the counting.

  • Eddie Willers
    Eddie Willers 7 hours ago

    Meh - if voting could change anything, it would be illegal.

  • Eddie Willers
    Eddie Willers 7 hours ago

    Meh - it doesn't matter who you vote for; the Government always wins.

  • João H. L. Correa
    João H. L. Correa 7 hours ago

    Brazil has an interesting take on electronic voting, please talk about it when/if you make another follow-up to this video

  • Gerald Wiseman
    Gerald Wiseman 7 hours ago

    2:11 in and thinking of a solution before it's (presumably) given. Here's the theory: Group A makes many identical messages, one for each messenger they have. Each message includes three bits of data -- the coordinated attack time, a continuous acknowledgement request, and the information that at some designated time prior to the coordinated attack time, Group A will cease sending messages so long as they've received Group B's acknowledgement, and that should messages be received from Group A after that time, Group B should know the attack is off. This means Group A periodically sends these messages. And should any messenger come from Group B, their arrival implies an agreement on the attack. At this point both groups need no further information. Because Group A knows that Group B agreed upon the time, and Group B doesn't need any other messages to be sure that Group A received one of their messages. In fact, the only way Group B will know that Group A HASN'T gotten their message is if they receive another message after the previously expressed "halt" time. And neither group is in danger of attacking without the other because for both parties to receive any message at all it means all is going according to plan. And if either group doesn't receive a message, or if they receive a message after the established time, they will definitively know something went wrong.

  • Igfa
    Igfa 7 hours ago

    Tom, 4 years has passed and you STILL haven't looked the brazilian eletronic voting system, and (5:52) in the brazilian system this ACTUALLY happen. You really SHOULD look the brazilian system. You sound really silly and almost conspiratorial to me

  • Bruno Lopes
    Bruno Lopes 7 hours ago

    We have electronic voting here in Brazil, and let me tell you: it is a bad idea.

  • scalethemachine
    scalethemachine 7 hours ago

    Recent audit of Bolivia's last election found widespread electronic election fraud. Basically some corrupt election officials diverted the flow of electronic votes to two secret (unofficial) servers where vote substitution took place. This news just came out today. (Sorry you couldn't include it in your video, Tom)

  • Noz
    Noz 7 hours ago

    this is the best video on youtube

  • Chris Trajectory
    Chris Trajectory 7 hours ago

    By and large, we trust heavily computerised financial institutions with our money- why is it so different for our democracy? I think computerised voting is inevitable. You might also argue that it could speed up and make democracy more efficient and responsive

  • Robert Williams
    Robert Williams 7 hours ago

    It took people awhile to get what the internet was, and it'll take them awhile to get what blockchain. Once they do I think people will trust it enough to vote with it. That vote receipt could be put in a box just like the current system as a back up after the voter check it was right.

  • ThePremiumChicken
    ThePremiumChicken 7 hours ago

    People don't always weigh the true cost of convenience

  • Brandi Cook
    Brandi Cook 7 hours ago

    Now I know, thank you Felix

  • 1Welshdylan
    1Welshdylan 7 hours ago

    what if we used a Blockchain system? Now that you be interesting.

  • Joseph E
    Joseph E 7 hours ago

    kulupu pi toki pona luka lon ma ni ala seme?

  • Network Direction
    Network Direction 7 hours ago

    Did I just watch an episode of Doctor Who?

  • Steve Rogers
    Steve Rogers 7 hours ago

    2020, Voting Machine #158794-4 wins by a landslide. Announces new policy of kill all humans.

  • Kira Bruneau
    Kira Bruneau 7 hours ago

    I could never trust my passwords with a service like LastPass/Dashlane. I use keepassxc + syncthing (both open source projects) and together they work great for me.

  • FinBoyXD
    FinBoyXD 7 hours ago

    But online voting could get more people to actually vote.

  • Wade Allen
    Wade Allen 7 hours ago

    I don’t know. I already don’t trust physical voting. While there are undoubtedly many issues with electronic voting, it seems like it mostly seems like a bad idea because it’s not what we’re currently doing so all the challenges it poses are new and unconfronted. I’m sure if we implemented electronic voting there would be a few problems, but then we’d get it sorted (mostly). And as far the anonymity thing goes, couldn't there be a way to check that the software correctly recorded and sent your vote after the fact while keeping that information private? Like with a secure login/account. So at the very least there would need to be some new division of the government whose job is to maintain voter security, but I don’t think it’s entirely not doable.

    • Kat Foster
      Kat Foster 7 hours ago

      A secure login only works if no one is looking over your shoulder.

  • Peter Wake
    Peter Wake 8 hours ago

    Wow, sci-fi from Tom Scott is awesome. Hope we get more

  • Javier Barrera
    Javier Barrera 8 hours ago

    Tom, this is highly informative, but I hope you can add subtitles, specially for the spanish speaking community. Thanks

  • Enojado Land
    Enojado Land 8 hours ago

    This dude looks like he's 47 and 16 years old at the same time.

  • Manchester Drummer
    Manchester Drummer 8 hours ago

    i love your videos Tom, and agree wholehearted with what you say ... however it all turns1984 when your sponser kicks in.. i'm not syaing its part of your "agenda" but as an outsider it's not the best

  • Eli
    Eli 8 hours ago

    Feel like you could get around alot of this by providing a ballot receipt with an arbitrary ID # for that ballot, then providing a searchable database of all cast ballots, so you could use your individual ballots ID to verify if your vote has been tampered with. Only issue I see is it doesn't inherently prevent ballot stuffing, but I think that could be handled via exit tallys or similar measures.

  • Jack Neeleman
    Jack Neeleman 8 hours ago

    If you beat doom, you get to vote!

  • ItsKwag
    ItsKwag 8 hours ago

    do you honestly know how the far the edge of space would probably be? out galaxy will collide with andromeda by then

  • Tristan Ridley
    Tristan Ridley 8 hours ago

    There is a huuuge difference between electronic voting and electronic counting. As long as paper ballots exist and are checked in close ridings, electronic counting is a huge savings and benefit without a higher risk. In our last election here (Ontario, Canada) we used it and it was amazing.

  • TYPOaxis
    TYPOaxis 8 hours ago

    Played with a "roundabout" during my childhood, and this brings back memories..

  • Ben's Pet Duck
    Ben's Pet Duck 8 hours ago

    Correction for near the start of the vid, if a ballot is spoiled, it absolutely is counted, but as a spoiled ballot rather than for the selected party

  • Army Pizza
    Army Pizza 8 hours ago

    You were going to fast

  • Melroy van den Berg
    Melroy van den Berg 8 hours ago

    Blockchain? No trust needed, decentralized. Wait what? Why is it not the answer? Each voter gets 1 'vote' it can spend.

  • digiryde
    digiryde 8 hours ago

    Only a fool or a criminal would call any of today's electronic voting machine safe and secure.

  • John Doe
    John Doe 8 hours ago

    "the requirement that voters' electoral register numbers are written on the counterfoils of the ballots issued" -Guardian source from the description The British election doesn't even _try_ to be anonymous

  • John Runyon
    John Runyon 8 hours ago

    You do realize that there are ways to do electronic voting that would be significantly *more* secure than traditional voting, right? The problem is that they would also increase the accessibility of voting, which is a bad thing for the people currently in power.

  • almisami
    almisami 8 hours ago

    Short version: The average voter is a complete moron and can't understand anything beyond a paper in a box.

  • Gummiel
    Gummiel 8 hours ago

    But if they let your vote for/against electronic voting, what if that vote is electronic?

  • Jessica Rose
    Jessica Rose 8 hours ago

    My voting poll place using electric machines where it prints off your ballot onto a scantron sheet and you have to turn the sheet and put it in a separate box to make it count.

  • Yes I know this meme is dead but I still like it

    How about "the day after tomorrow" and "the day before yesterday" no need for weekdays!

  • Peter D Morrison
    Peter D Morrison 8 hours ago

    Why would you want to use a computer for electronic voting? Build custom hardware and keep it simple.

  • UTubeTulip
    UTubeTulip 9 hours ago

    So in summary, computers are great for sharing and terrible for privacy so not good for voting.

  • Gianluca Tartaro
    Gianluca Tartaro 9 hours ago

    Whoa, that video came out 5 years ago??? Wow, I can’t believe I’ve been a Tom Scott fan for 5 years! That video was actually the video that finally got me to find your USclip channel and not only watch what you did for Computerphile. I’m still so glad I did, keep up the fantastic content!

  • operativexeight
    operativexeight 9 hours ago

    keepassxc or bitwarden are good too

  • ColdMeson_06
    ColdMeson_06 9 hours ago

    just use dashlane to secure the servers smh

  • Bruno Ruchiga
    Bruno Ruchiga 9 hours ago

    brazil

  • SplatNode
    SplatNode 9 hours ago

    My dad used to work on them, helped build the bridge software

  • Levi Farr
    Levi Farr 9 hours ago

    TODAY ON CNN

  • ernest itibus
    ernest itibus 9 hours ago

    You look a bit like Elon Musk

  • Zachary Thomas
    Zachary Thomas 9 hours ago

    If i wanted to spoil my ballet and its a computer do I just axe the monitor

  • Rushika Prasad
    Rushika Prasad 9 hours ago

    Petition for Tom Scott to play Harry Potter in the inevitable remake/ sequel/ whatever. His audition: 1:40